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Art galleries

I was trying to get rid of the * symbol since I don't think there's a reason to sort it that way. My internet is being wonky though. So the edit and edit summary didn't save properly for some reason. Adamant1 (talk) 20:39, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

@Adamant1: The reason to sort it that way (or similarly) is so it doesn't get lost among the individual organizations that make up most of the category. - Jmabel ! talk 20:48, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I know people do it in general. There was a couple of other categories that were organized the same way though and at point there should just be a sub category based on the type of gallery or something. I was actually going to do that but couldn't figure out if I wanted to do it by type or subject and then my internet wonked out. Regardless, I don't think special characters should be used as a lazy persons sub catergorization scheme or whatever. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:17, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

@Adamant1: it seems that you are pretty clearly in the minority among active categorizers there. I wasn't doing it myself for a long time, but it became pretty clear that it has become a pattern, and I think at this point that it has become a consensus approach, even if the consensus isn't formal (much as I think MPF is going against consensus on the issue right above this one). - Jmabel ! talk 22:10, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

In the minority with what exactly? Category:Categories by subject (flat list) has like 6 thousand categories in it and Category:Categories by type (flat list) has a little more then that. So I don't really any consensus to use special characters as a way to create sub categories or whatever. At least not exclusive, if even at all. It's pretty clear that if there are enough categories for a subject or type subcategory then people should just do it that way instead of creating lists of subcategories with the * symbol. Not that I have a particular problem with it that way myself sometimes depending on the circumstances, but I just think it would be better to it by creating either a type or subject category in this instance. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

@Adamant1: In the minority by not doing this with categories that are a mix of generalities and specifics, and where neither you nor anyone else is inclined to take the trouble to break it down to subcategories (or where the generalities are few enough in number to make it not worth doing so). There's a kind of weird mix as to whether people do this with asterisk, space, or (in a few cases) something else such as an exclamation point; as long as it's done consistently within a parent category, that difference has little effect on end users.

I would say that when there get to be about a dozen of these generalities it's definitely time to make a subcat (FOO by BAR, etc), and it's OK when there are about half a dozen, though I personally don't usually bother at that point. But it's certainly better to do the asterisk etc. thing than to bury reasonably broad categories in the middle of a list of specific names. - Jmabel ! talk 23:33, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Jewellery galleries‎, sculpture galleries‎, plaster cast galleries‎, contemporary art galleries‎, photography galleries‎ Etc. Etc. seem pretty specific to me. Although maybe "by medium" would be better, but that doesn't mean they are to general to warrant being put in a subcategory. Also I'm not really where your getting the idea that no one going to break them down into subcategories when I said I was going to except my internet screwed up and I can't decide how to do. This whole back and forth doesn't really motivate me to care it either, but that said, I told I was going to do it. I guess I'm fine with waiting for there to be more things to put in the subcategory. At this point I rather just do that then get in a needlessly pedantic argument about it. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:42, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Please keep this e-kitten as a token of appreciation for all of the nice work that you do here. The kitten is amazed at your work.

─ The Aafī (^talk) 16:30, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Thankfully, my allergies are only in meat-space. - Jmabel ! talk 17:30, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

WikiCon North America?

Hi Joe! I was wondering if you were going to make it to WikiConference North America this year? I am putting together a presentation on DPLA's work and I would love to invite you to share all the work you've been doing for the Pacific Northwest collections. Dominic (talk) 18:51, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

@Dominic: Nope. I currently have roughly no income, and the cost of a multi-day trip to Toronto to attend this is out of the question. - Jmabel ! talk 18:56, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

(I live in Seattle). - Jmabel ! talk 18:57, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I get it! It looks like scholarships are still being accepted, if you'd want to look into that. I could also make space for you in my presentation to give a short prerecorded piece, if you're interested. Otherwise, fair warning, I am thinking of talking about you, by using your work as an example of one of our success stories to inspire others to do the same! Dominic (talk) 19:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

@Dominic: Thanks. I just sent that in, we'll see what happens. - Jmabel ! talk 22:13, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

I am glad to see that your work is so appreciated. Krok6kola (talk) 02:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Commons photographers: next virtual meeting on August 5

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

I'm inviting you to our next virtual meeting on Saturday, August 5th. We'll have two speakers: Poco a poco will provide us with an update on his underwater photography and George Oates from the Flickr Foundation will talk about the Flickr-to-Commons bridge (“Flickypedia”) that is currently in the works. If you're interested in attending, please sign up on this page: Virtual Meeting on August 5, 2023.

I hope you're having a great time taking photos and I'm looking forward to seeing you on August 5th.

All the best, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 15:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Jack Halberstam

I'm curious why you put Category:Jack Halberstam in Category:Drag kings. Halberstam is a transgender academic, not a transvestite entertainer, as far as I'm aware. Nosferattus (talk) 14:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• @Nosferattus: because when I created the page (and made that categorization) in 2011 as Category:Judith Halberstam, 5 years before James Allison moved it in 2016, he still was legally Judith and considered himself a female doing male drag, which was in fact the topic of their talk that day, where I took the pictures, the earliest we have of him. Later he changed his stated gender identity. Clearly, I didn't "have a crystal ball," and obviously it would be appropriate to edit this. - Jmabel ! talk 15:20, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the explanation! Just wanted to make sure it was appropriate to remove the category. Nosferattus (talk) 15:29, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Curtesy deletion request

Hi. I accidently uploaded a couple of images before I cropped them and now I can't upload the cropped versions without replacing them, which I don't want to do. So I was wondering if you could deleted the uncropped images so I can just re-upload the crops as new files. The images are File:Occidental Hotel, Santa Rosa, California trade card back.jpg and File:Occidental Hotel, Santa Rosa, California trade card front.jpg. Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 10:40, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually screw it. I'll just use the crop tool. Thanks anyway. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:41, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Quick reminder: Commons Photographers meeting this Saturday

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

This is a quick reminder that our next meeting will happen on Saturday, August 5th. If you haven't registered yet and you're interested in learning more about underwater photography and “Flickypedia”, please sign up on this page. Also, I invite you to fill out this survey created by the people who are working on the Flickr-to-Wikimedia Commons software. Your input will make a difference.

We haven't had a virtual meeting in a while and I'm so looking forward to this weekend!

All the best, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 02:15, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Thanks for all your work at the help desk, including answering my various annoying questions. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 12:34, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps you can help

For some reason certain keys on my keyboard don't work anymore, and it's not the keyboard as I tried another. So now I have to cut and paste things like brackets, my signature etc. Any ideas? Krok6kola (talk) 21:06, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

• Do all of these involve the shift key? And (I know this is the oldest tech question in the world, but) have you rebooted? - Jmabel ! talk 22:32, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes it involves the shift key, but not for everything. LIKE this is ok and & ?, for example. And yes I've rebooted. And I've been on the phone for the last hour because all my TV gets is something called Black Brilliance since it "updated" itself today. At least the sunset is beautiful. Krok6kola (talk) 00:07, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't have anything firm on this, but if you are using Windows 10 there have been rumors about some recently added features/fixes interacting poorly with the portion of the system that handles knowing which key is down when you hit another key. I've had a bit of a problem myself with the CTRL key (though thankfully not with SHIFT). But I have no more idea what to do about it than you do. - Jmabel ! talk 00:29, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Windows 97. Guess I like thin ice. I'm waiting for my complete world to fall apart. ̴̴ Krok6kola (talk) 00:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Wow. Some of our admins are younger than your OS. - Jmabel ! talk 00:57, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Whoa. If I had to be stuck in a given Windows version, I’d go for Win2kPro or XP — not Win97, yikes. (Could be worse, tho: Millenium Home and Win7 coming to mind.) -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 01:12, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Maybe you selected another keyboard by mistake? (And I mean the keymapping bit of your system, not the actual keyboard.) If I recall correctly, Shfit-Shfit would do that, and also Alt+Shfit. Your current keyboard should be shown in the system tray, and typically keymapping should match whatever hardware you have plugged in, or else unexpected things may happen — unless you know exactly what you’re doing. If that’s the case, change you settings to match. (Doesn’t seem to be a Commons issue, not even a web browser issue.) -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 01:10, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I just noticed that in your 00:07 reply above you had typed "ːːː" (three IPA triangular colons) instead of ":::" (three regular colons). You might have swapped to a specialist keymapping and you should return to defaults since that’s not what you wanted. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 01:24, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin: per the initial remark, "So now I have to cut and paste things like brackets," those were presumably copy-pasted. - Jmabel ! talk 03:30, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

I just had a big laugh over the August 12 Village Pump discussion about categories and "depicts" and babies with hair chest. I can't take this place seriously anymore.

What computer would you recommend? (No laptops.) What I have now is labeled Systemax, but it's been jimmied with and now it is some kind of hybrid. When I reboot a MS DOS screen flashes by after Windows has loaded. ̴̴ Krok6kola (talk) 02:12, 15 August 2023 (UTC) (signature pasted)

• @Krok6kola: why no laptops? (To be honest, I have no idea what desktop computer one would buy these days: haven't bought one in maybe 15 years.) - Jmabel ! talk 02:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

ː Don't you have to use your thumbs? (I like mice.̪) Well, what kind is yours? It better not be Apple. (When you get old like me, you don't like change.) Krok6kola (talk) 03:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

No, you don't have to use your thumbs to move the cursor! There is a touchpad if I want it, but I almost never use it. I use a mouse. The options for a mouse are pretty much the same as with a desktop. I use a cordless optical mouse, and one of the three USB ports on my laptop is taken up with a little Bluetooth chip to talk to the mouse.

I have an H-P ZBook 15 G6, a little over two years old. If I wanted, I could even hook it up to an external monitor, but I don't. It has (I think) a 17"-diagonal screen, which I use at 1920x1080; it was a little cramped for software development, but it's great for anything else. 64 GB RAM (because I do graphics work), 500 GB solid state drive (rather than a disk: this has become typical, especially for laptops). I could actually do with a bigger drive, but I offload photos to an external drive after a year or two. It was about $1500 (I don't remember exactly). My guess, given what you've been getting by with, is that unless you do graphics work I don't know about (e.g. if you are actually post-processing images) you could do with 8GB RAM and a smaller drive than I have, but of course I don't know how much data you may have stored. You should be able to find something very satisfactory for about half what I paid for this, maybe less, but I can't say exactly what you should be looking for. - Jmabel ! talk 15:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I discovered I have Windows 7, not Windows 97 (learned by paying attention during reboot). Don't care how much it costs, and I could hook it up to a MUCH bigger screen. (Hope you were properly admired at that wiki-get-to-gether.) Krok6kola (talk) 01:24, 23 August 2023 (UTC) (pasted)

That makes much more sense. Only 4-5 years out of being supported, not 15 or so.

If cost isn't particularly an issue, then probably you are looking at Dell & H-P. And either of those, or Samsung, for the monitor. But I don't have any particular recommendations of models. - Jmabel ! talk 01:34, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I just did an ordinary reboot but something screwy happened. All my old setting are gone. When I fired up Foxfire, it asked if I wanted to use it as my main browser, etc. etc. All my addons are gone. Fortunately I remembered my wiki user name and password. What do you think caused this? Krok6kola

@Krok6kola: Sorry, not a clue. - Jmabel ! talk 23:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I used to know how to link to other wikis, but no longer. Category:Luis Ortiz Martinez is on the French Wikipedia, but I can't figure out how to link to it. Since you know everything, how do I do it? Krok6kola (talk) 02:23, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: fr:Luis Ortiz Martinez ([[:fr:Luis Ortiz Martinez]]). Or Luis Ortiz Martinez ({{w|Luis Ortiz Martinez||fr}}). - Jmabel ! talk 02:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• I now have a new computer. My old one was Windows 7, much better than this version, although the new one is much smaller and sleeker. I am tempted to hook Windows 7 up and used it anyway, using "escape" to by pass the startup. Saw you were tangling with the big bad wolf. Thought he had changed, though he did fiddle with an Ecuador cat I started, for the better I must say. Krok6kola (talk) 00:13, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
  • @Krok6kola: Actual Windows 7 has a lot less protection from hackers. You can easily make Windows 10 or 11 have pretty much the same UI as Windows 7 (I assume the UI is what you liked about it). There are several ways to do that. Google "emulate windows 7 UI" (without the quotation marks) and you'll see a bunch of stuff on how to do it. - 01:31, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Thanks for that. I wouldn't say "easily". Krok6kola (talk) 02:36, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

File rename?

@Jmabel, Can this file name be changed,- replacing "restored" with the more accurate "retouched" per your edit?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AKrisztina_Csáky._Portrait_in_Uzhhorod_Castle_restored_by_AI%2C_2023.jpg&diff=791969280&oldid=791771816 -- Ooligan (talk) 04:21, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Done. - Jmabel ! talk 06:38, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, -- Ooligan (talk) 07:09, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Category:AI images generated using unidentified prompts

Thoughts? I made the category based on your comment--Trade (talk) 19:00, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: I was about to say, "seems about right to me" but then I see you moved it to Category:AI images generated without prompts, which is absolutely wrong. That seems to say that no prompt was involved in generating them. Almost certainly there was a prompt, and that prompt is not identified. - Jmabel ! talk 19:45, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Anyways, what is next step now we have the category? Trade (talk) 21:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

For people to use it!

I think we should normally be tagging AI-generated images to indicate what software & what prompt, but until we make that policy, that's just my opinion. I think we were getting close to consensus, but then discussion seemed to stall. - Jmabel ! talk 23:52, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Do we need a category of AI images generated using known prompts? Or whatever you want the opposite of this category to be called. Trade (talk) 22:36, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't think so. But it's really hard to say until we have a clear consensus on rules. My view is that lacking a documented prompt should usually be a reason to delete. So I don't think we need a category for AI images generated using known prompts any more then we need a category for images where we have some indication of author. - Jmabel ! talk 22:45, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

There is the simple issue that users simple have no way of knowing they are expected to include prompt with their images Trade (talk) 01:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I think this needs to become part of the Wizard: "Was this image generated by (or with the assistance of) an AI program," etc. - Jmabel ! talk 01:40, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Would you be willing to work on a user talk page template that asks users to include software name and prompt with their AI uploads and explaining to them why its necessary?

I imagine engaging in conversation with every users who have uploaded AI images without prompts will be very time consuming otherwise Trade (talk) 02:36, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Sure, but not today. I've just gotten back from a week of travel during which I had limited Internet connectivity, and have spent practically my whole day catching up with stuff. - Jmabel ! talk 02:41, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I'll let you guess which part of my poorly made pie chart represents images with prompts--Trade (talk) 04:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Yup. That's why I said we might have to grandfather in what is before a particular date. - Jmabel ! talk 15:52, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: I can see I'm going to be playing catch-up for at least a week. I'll probably try to get to this early next week. - Jmabel ! talk 01:36, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Things are getting better--Trade (talk) 02:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

About Category:Vendors

You reverted my change on Category:Wholesalers, but that was because of the changes discussed on Commons:Categories for discussion/2017/11/Category:Salespeople. If you do not agree with the conclusions there, I suggest you start a new discussion about this subject. JopkeB (talk) 16:19, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

@JopkeB: I guess OK if you are going to work this through consistently. Your edit summary did not link that discussion, so of course I was unaware of it. I just looked at Category:Vendors and saw that you were using it entirely differently than what every single prior subcat was about.

Question: do you intend to end up with some category for street vendors, informal sector, etc.? Things that are below the level of what would normally be called a "shop" or even a booth at a fair? - Jmabel ! talk 16:26, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your reaction. I am sorry I did not add the link to the discussion to the edit summary, and so bringing confusion.

Category:Street vendors is a grandchild of Category:Salespeople, subcategory of Category:Retail salespeople‎. My questions to you:

• What else should be done in the context of "work this through consistently"?
• What do you mean by "that you were using it entirely differently than what every single prior subcat was about"? What should I do to make the category structure more in line with expectations of you and perhaps others?

JopkeB (talk) 07:05, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@JopkeB: It looks like you've done some of this already, but Category:Vendor's trays certainly belongs at least under Category:Retail salespeople‎, probably under Category:Street vendors (although I have seen these at a ballgame or—from before my lifetime—a nightclub). Category:People selling plants is presumably under Category:Retail salespeople‎. Category:Boat vendors certainly belongs as far down the hierarchy as Category:Street vendors.

I'd also note that a lot of the categories under Category:Vendors by country appear to be entirely street vendors, and (at a quick glance) I wouldn't be surprised if they are entirely street or market vendors (thus all retail salespeople, and really something narrower than that: you're not going to find a used car salesman or a person at a cash register in a department store). And Category:Vendors certainly deserves a note indicating which definition of vendors it is about.

There's probably more than that. Area isn't one where I've been focused, but by "work it through consistently" I mean take the time to look at what's there (more than I'm inclined to take on at this time, or I'd just do it myself) and actually organize it in consistent categories that make sense and have teh appropriate relation to one another. - Jmabel ! talk 15:03, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! You are right, there is still a lot of work to do.

• I just put Category:Vendor's trays under Category:Retail salespeople‎, because of the reason you mentioned and I know those trays were also used in cinemas, so Category:Street vendors is not appropriate now. Later on, when there are photos of other uses than by Street vendors, this category can be split.
• Theoretically Category:People selling plants can also be about plant nurseries where plants are being sold to plant wholesalers or to flower shops. But in this category are now only images of people selling plants to consumers. So perhaps the category should be renamed, split or get a description.
• I thought that "boat vendors" are people who sell boats. But looking at the images I now get the impression that they are vendors who sell their products from a boat instead of in a shop or market stall. Is that right? Then the category should have a proper description and be moved. (Personal reminder for me: perhaps Category:Parlevinker should become a subcategory.)
• Yes, Category:Vendors by country needs better organization. Perhaps the subcategories should be the main categories about selling of the countries, and the other categories of a country about selling should be subcategories too. And all should get proper descriptions to avoid confusion. Lot to do.
• Category:Vendors already has a description. What should be added?

JopkeB (talk) 06:32, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@JopkeB: I think the current description in Category:Vendors is fine.

Category:Boat vendors could be changed to Category:Vending from boats, or it could be given a description. FWIW, while "boat vendors" is technically ambiguous the same way just "vendors" is, I don't think any native speaker would use it to mean anything other than what it means here (just like it would be only a joke to call someone who sold a turnpike a "street vendor").

Yes, given the way you've decided to go it would seem the by-country thing needs a similar structural revisit for each country.

- Jmabel ! talk 16:07, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

I hope with "you" you mean the participants in the discussion, because I did not decide that on my own. JopkeB (talk) 05:10, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@JopkeB: To be entirely honest, I hadn't given a lot of thought to whether the "you" was singular or plural, but you (singular) are correct that "you" (plural) is more appropriate and that you (singular) are at least working on the thing, whereas the others who wanted the change don't seem to be working at all on getting it done, and they (plural, need to say that these days) ought to be helping you (singular). - Jmabel ! talk 15:37, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. It is very rare that others help with work getting done after a discussion has been closed, I resigned myself to that. And I also think it is odd that people start a discussion, I guess to solve a problem, and then let it go on for years, although there is agreement or at least a lot of support for a proposal. That's just the way it is. JopkeB (talk) 03:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Is it perhaps better to move this discussion to Category talk:Vendors? JopkeB (talk) 06:47, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Feel free to copy-paste and end this here. - Jmabel ! talk 16:08, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Reverted facts

Hello and thank you again for helping with that Wikidata item. I am a bit troubled, however by these subsequent reversals of updated facts. Can they possibly be reinstated somehow? The subject, as of 1996, is more known as a book author that a "screenwriter" for example, and today has a total of 7 books listed with LIBRIS. Best wishes, SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

• @SergeWoodzing: The only change subsequent to mine that seems not to have been reverted is to change "Swedish director" to "Swedish-American director". - Jmabel ! talk 20:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry wrong link. I'm very good at wrong links. Getting old. These are the three reversals I meant. The IP meant to remove "screenwriter", and add "writer" and "hotel manager" with refs, and was right in doing so. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:29, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@SergeWoodzing: you'd have to take up the reversion with wikidata:User:Saroj. - Jmabel ! talk 20:31, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done, thanks. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Difference between solution and suggestion

I disapprove the culture of work if reader of a question writed an answer on how should the user should ask the question but totally ignore to provide the solution for which the user has asked the question. The user of this talk page should go back to the edit from where I have come and provide the needed solution or guide which is essential. In Short the question was "what to do now" and answer was given "ask like this" ? Anyways I am happy that a good suggestion was left in edit but I was in need of something else. I know how to master your given craft but you should that I will never know your craft if am never found here. I am happy that you read and this happiness is more than everything. Thank you for it. 2409:4081:AD10:115F:0:0:CC4A:C08 18:07, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Report of infringement of your work

FYI, File:2017 Fremont Solstice Parade - cyclists 094.jpg has been posted without attribution and marked with the PDM 1.0 on Flickr at [1]. —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• @Mdaniels5757: Thank you for calling this to my attention. - Jmabel ! talk 19:32, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Mystery

https://kingcounty.gov/~/media/depts/dnrp/wtd/capital-projects/nmienatai/docs/1506_nmercer-enatai-news.ashx?la=en credits me for the photo at the top of the document. It's clearly the East Channel Bridge, but I can't work out what photo of mine it would be (definitely not in that category). I'm guessing it is a tight crop of something much broader. - Jmabel ! talk 02:00, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

https://www.ezview.wa.gov/Portals/_1962/Documents/WCMAC/9.28.2020%20WCMAC%20Meeting%20Materials%20with%20Presentations.pdf credits me for two photos. Offhand, I don't have a clue on when I took either one, and there isn't enough context for me to be able to search for them. - Jmabel ! talk 03:23, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

https://www.seattle.gov/Documents/Departments/Neighborhoods/HistoricPreservation/Landmarks/LandmarksPreservationBoard/MeetingDocuments/ElMonterey_NOM_application.pdf Figure 64 is credited to me, and while I've photographed the Hacienda Apartments, I don't think that photo is actually mine. (Figure 65, a different view, is mine, and is credited to me.) - Jmabel ! talk 05:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Monroe (Washington) City Council briefing Needle Clean-up Kit Program credits me for the third photo on p. 7 of the PDF, but offhand I don't recognize it. - Jmabel ! talk 01:16, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

File:Al Kooper 03.jpg

File:Al Kooper 03.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Solomon203 (talk) 10:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Commons Photographers User Group: Board Elections 2023

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

in preparation of the 2023 board election of our group, we invite you to take a look at the following page:

Commons:Commons Photographers User Group/Board Elections 2023

and provide feedback.

The timeline for the 2023 election will be

• September 15 – September 30: Applications for the election committee
• October 1 – October 9: Vote for election committee (ideally comprised of three members)
• October 10: Election committee starts work
• October 20 – November 9: Nomination phase for candidacies
• November 10 – December 10: Elections
• December 15: Results announced

In the first step we ask you to be part of the election committe. Please add your name on the Election Page.

We are very much looking forward to hearing from you. Please use this talk page for your thoughts.

All the best

--Ailura (talk) for the CPUG board

A beer for you!

I felt you deserved something for your helpdesk work. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:08, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	I can't thank you enough for your help with moving my files into a user category. It will now be much easier to find specific files since the Uploads tool gets harder to use with so many files in it. I hope I didn't cause too much trouble/inconvenience for you. Again, thank you for your help and have a great day! DiscoA340 (talk) 21:03, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Empty/erroneous categories

Hi Jmabel, I am a bit shocked how many categories had survived until you deleted them in the last days, all of them I deemed to have long been deleted... Just to get the pic right, I think I created at least maybe 500 categories in the same time which were correct and live happily, ok? ;-) ;-) Pittigrilli (talk) 21:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pittigrilli: I believe the problem is that when you've wanted to get rid of a category, you just blanked it, rather than marking it for deletion. Typically, if a category is no longer useful, it should be marked either with {{SD|C1}} if it's not an appropriate category name or {{SD|C2}} otherwise. I've been systematically going through the parentless categories for about a week now, probably deleted a few thousand altogether, still at it. User:Billinghurst also knocked out a few hundred (maybe more) and a few other admins each took out smaller numbers. - Jmabel ! talk 21:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Ok, sorry for that, and I will change my practice. Best, Pittigrilli (talk) 21:34, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: I want to add something just for clarity - if I created a category in error (e.g., wrong logic, as showed mostly 10 min later, or typos, or a missing "parameter word" in the name), I to nearly 100 % emptied it AND wrote sth. like "was created in error, please delete" in the cat text and also in the comment line. While I see that this clearly was not enough (see above, formal request missing), I almost never left a category just blank. This is what I just realized: During months, a number of the 500+ cats I made were in fact emptied (sometimes kind of reorganized) by others, often not to my pleasure and sometimes making the cat tree worse. As this was not grave though, I did not bother to start discssions which I dislike. Hence, the really blank categories without even a hint "can be deleted" or so were definitely not from me, maybe with very very few exceptions. Pittigrilli (talk) 12:56, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pittigrilli: That's fine. Some of the ones I ran across did have messages like "created in error". As you can imagine, in cleaning up thousands, I haven't been keeping careful track. Mostly I've been killing anything that didn't have even a parent or a child; I've been doing some other cleanup as well. There were some obvious redirects to do. I believe the only times other than that in this process that I've killed a cat with a parent it's been an empty cat where the that parent, in turn, had no parent.

Oh, and another relevant code for deletion would be {{SD|G7}}, for something you created in error and just want quickly deleted. Best used on something recent enough that you can be pretty confident no one else ever used it. - Jmabel ! talk 14:26, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: I am fully informed by now to be a pro level cat destroyer, I guess ;-) BTW, I know from personal experience that the "thank you for that" level for maintenance work like yours is disturbingly low in general, thus I want to say thank you for this clean-up and for the things I don't know, either... Pittigrilli (talk) 17:17, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Category:United States photographs taken on 1925-11-01

Thanks. FWIW, I'd accidentally created that as a typo, then added images to it later without realizing it was the one I had blanked as empty. Jarnsax (talk) 03:51, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm just talking and wondering why you don't let me sign in Wikipedia page just why ?!!

why ?!! 196.70.123.179 01:46, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea who you are or why you are asking me this. - Jmabel ! talk 01:48, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Explosions here

Have things suddenly sped up on the Commons? Seems to me it has. e.g. yesterday I created Category:Projekt Kolaborator and today it suddenly is in Category:Collaboration by country , Category:Economy of Poland, Category:Culture of Poland, Category:Communication in Poland , and Category:Human behavior in Poland. What's going on? And many of my very old categories are filling up, e.g.Category:Turpan Museum! And places in Xinjiang, etc. Plus the categories on "Reflections" has completely new variations. Krok6kola (talk) 23:07, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

You might happen to be working in/looking at areas where someone is particularly active at the moment. I doubt the overall rhythm has changed much. But I am pretty proud that we got Special:Uncategorized categories down to 3795 entries, around half of what it was a couple of weeks ago. - Jmabel ! talk 23:11, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Affected:

• File:Bucharest - Dec 2014 - B-dul Carol I 03.jpg

Yours sincerely, A1Cafel (talk) 02:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

User edit warring

Hello, Jmabel. Could you review this user's contributions? They've been involved in an edit/move dispute over categories and files, persistently altering them to a version that disrupts the broader consistency among numerous other categories. Despite my warning on their talk page, they continue to move the categories. — Golden ^talk 19:53, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

@Golden: I don't have any special knowledge here, and am very hesitant to wade into Azeri/Armenian disagreements. If this calls for admin action, use COM:AN/U and probably someone a lot more qualified than I am in the relevant area will take it on. - Jmabel ! talk 20:01, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

I did leave them a further note. - Jmabel ! talk 20:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

File:Chittenden Locks during large lock maintenance 113 - worker with spray washer.jpg

File:Chittenden Locks during large lock maintenance 113 - worker with spray washer.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

— Draceane ^talk_contrib. 07:20, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Tagging

Would you mind help me tagging recently uploaded film posters and album covers as needing permission? I can't edit so much due to my laptop being in the process of dying Trade (talk) 03:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: I'm up to my eyeballs already. I've taken on three almost open-ended projects besides my own photography: categorizing content placed directly in Category:Seattle, assaulting Special:UncategorizedCategories, and better categorizing media in Category:Media contributed by Seattle Public Library. And each of these has a tendency to reveal missing categories, Wikidata items that need to be built, etc.

Are these being uploaded by a specific, small number of users (in which case if you identify the users I can easily do this with COM:VFC, or is this something that involves lots of looking for problematic material (in which case you need to find someone who isn't already doing a bunch of other things). - Jmabel ! talk 03:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Just go to film poster, album cover or

book cover once in a while and tag the copyvio if you have time. It's not really hard to find cooyvio this way--Trade (talk) 16:20, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: No, sorry, if you are talking about another ongoing task, I'm not taking this one. You need to find someone who is less swamped. Besides what I listed above, I'm one of the 3 or 4 people who does the most on the help desk & village pump, I upload content from Seattle Municipal Archive, and several other things. If anything, I'm looking to drop ongoing tasks, not take on more. - Jmabel ! talk 17:45, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I've secured a PC so i should be able to tag images more effectively now Trade (talk) 17:07, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: Glad to hear it! - Jmabel ! talk 18:02, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Descargar logos con banderas

Buenas, se puede descargar logos oficiales con banderas de Venezuela (por ejemplo si descargo un Logo de una Alcaldía incluido la bandera de Venezuela que todavía existe en Wikimedia) es necesario agregar el "Derived from" (Derivative versions)?? AbchyZa22 (talk) 22:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@AbchyZa22: Quizás a veces no necesario, pero nunca mal. {{Derived from}} da claridad sobre cuyo era la fuente. Eso is casi siempre mejor, pero (por ejemplo) si la fuente es en el dominio público, se permite omitir esa plantilla. Yo lo emplearía in cada caso, porque siempre estaría más claro. - Jmabel ! talk 23:43, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: OK, tengo un claro ejemplo de un Logo pero no oficial inspirado por mi

File:Logo no oficial Alcaldía Romulo Gallegos Apure 2021-2025.jpg

pero hice una versión derivada de una Bandera de Venezuela, Wikimedia Commons acepta si agrego "Derived from"?? AbchyZa22 (talk) 12:53, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

De un lado, la inspiración queda solamente en los colores, y no llega al nivel de obra derivada en el sentido to derechos de autores. Pero, de otro, ¿cómo puede ser en el alcance de Commons? Es una ficción no notable. - Jmabel ! talk 14:30, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: que significa “la inspiración queda solamente en los colores” me refiero los colores de la bandera de Venezuela??

AbchyZa22 (talk) 18:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@AbchyZa22: Exactamente. El uso de los colores del tricolor no tiene derechos del autor. Pero, como pregunté ¿cómo puede ser esta imagen (el tuyo) en el alcance de Commons? ¿Cómo es educativo? - Jmabel ! talk 18:13, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Ok, te lo cuento, agregué el Logo de la Coalición política Mesa de la Unidad Democrática (ese logo es oficial pero todavía existe en Wikimedia) pero puse la descripción "ALCALDÍA de ROMULO GALLEGOS" pero el eslogan es "UNIDAD" por que el Alcalde opositor qué fue electo en el año 2021 se unió a la oposición para derrotar al Chavismo (el creó la "Revolución Bolivariana"). Eso me refiero la imagen la qué yo cree.

AbchyZa22 (talk) 18:39, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@AbchyZa22: entonces, indica lo que usó (el Logo de la Coalición política Mesa de la Unidad Democrática, no la bandera). Pero, por la tercera vez, ¿cómo puede ser esta imagen (el tuyo) en el alcance de Commons? - Jmabel ! talk 18:43, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Si así es, con los colores de la bandera, pero usé mi computadora pero salio error (por falta de batería en mi Laptop) antes de hacer Upload, fotografié en mi teléfono para modificar dentro de mi teléfono y después hice el Upload

AbchyZa22 (talk) 21:31, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Clearly, AbchyZa22 is not going to explain how this would be in scope and I have therefore nominated it for deletion. - Jmabel ! talk 22:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
Es bastante claro que AbchyZa22 no va a explicar cómo la ficha esta puede estar en el alcance de Commons. Por lo tanto, lo he nominado para borrar. - Jmabel ! talk 22:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: OK, por favor borra eso la imagen, la otra vez no voy a hacer eso

AbchyZa22 (talk) 22:30, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@AbchyZa22: entonces, explica en el DR (no aquí) come es en el alcance de Commons. Te pregunté arriba tres veces y mo me no me respondiste. - Jmabel ! talk 23:01, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

• Hola, Jmabel. No me he leído todo este hilo, pero si te sirviera de algo, he llegado a la conclusión de que donde AbchyZa22 escribe "descargar" (download), en realidad quiere decir "subir/cargar" (upload). Un saludo. Strakhov (talk) 12:47, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • @Strakhov: esto yo entendí, pero ¿qué puede significar "inspirar"? A veces, supongo, "grabar", pero a otros veces no estoy seguro. - Jmabel ! talk 16:16, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
    • Pues yo no lo entendí, me costó bastante. No. En "pero no oficial inspirado por mi" [sic] entiendo que quiere decir algo así como que: no es un logo oficial, sino que es una obra derivada suya, en cuya creación habría intervenido su inspiración artística, o algo así (en cualquier caso: se expresa muy mal y se le entiende fatal). Saludos. Strakhov (talk) 16:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

The easy solution for a Upload Wizard issue I had

I write to you because I had an annoying issue with uploading images for months and no-one had a solution even though I opened several discussions about it at the help venues. In the end, the solution to the problem was to close the browser completely and reopen the browser from start. Too many tabs were open for too long I was told. Maybe this helps you make someone else's life much easier, if one appears with a similar issue again. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:48, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle: Amusingly, I got this message just after waking up this morning, turning on my computer, and doing my first full reboot in several weeks. - Jmabel ! talk 15:00, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Observation

It's always funny to me how I can be dragged through the dirt and lied about for multiple months and no one even bats an eye or does anything about it, but then I'm the one in the wrong and should be blocked or banned if I so much as blink in the wrong direction. Adamant1 (talk) 20:13, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@Adamant1: I would say on the whole you give [almost] as good as you get. When you are engaged with people who play dirty, you usually show slightly more restraint than they do, but only slightly. If you'd stay more to the high ground, by the time it comes to AN or ANU I'd be in a position to sanction them without having to also sanction you. But you keep letting yourself be dragged in. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&diff=next&oldid=818505048 was particularly egregious: going back and editing yourself to make what you said less temperate.

And you really don't need to always speak last, or if you do you can sometimes just say (when the other side has added nothing meaningful), "none of that is germane. I stand by what I said before," instead of continuing a slugfest. I imagine you've seen times when I say something to the effect of, "I believe I've said my part. If you need to have the last word, go ahead. I won't be responding further on this thread unless I'm directly addressed." And what happens? They almost inevitably write exactly one more time, they stop piling on bullshit, and the thread comes to an end only slightly after it should have. I trust that the people who will read the thread can tell who is making sense and who is not, and that they can do so a lot more easily if the thread doesn't reach from Milan to Timbuktu. - Jmabel ! talk 20:26, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

You pinged me from somewhere

but I can't figure out where. And I don't remember what I was thinking at the time that I made that category. Krok6kola (talk) 01:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I found it. Probably it should just be deleted. I don't know what I was thinking at the time. Krok6kola (talk) 01:37, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Proposal for some improvements for image retrieval

Hi Jmabel, I have an idea or better a mini concept (relatively simple but quite unconventional and promising) how we could acquire high quality PD images in areas which (on Commons) inherently lack both quality and quantity. As you are the only person I know on Commons who seems to have a quite broad knowledge on how things work here in general, I would like to send you some sentences on the idea via email before posting it to a broader audience. Would that be ok or would you suggest a different course of action? Best, Pittigrilli (talk) 16:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Pittigrilli: I'm very willing, but I am headed early tomorrow morning to WikiConference North America and will be mostly incommunicado until Monday, 13 November. I almost certainly won't have time to think about it before that, so you might do well to hold off a week in sending me anything so I can give it proper attention. - Jmabel ! talk 19:36, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: - SCNR: 1) Where on the web are really good pics of ALL kinds of things? Ebay. 1600x1200 only, but hey.

2) How does Wikimedia get them? Cooperation with ebay, they freak about about the PR opportunity and agree to this: During the "place an ebay ad" process, ebay inserts a banner with opt-in option: "I agree that my pics may optionally be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons so that they can be used in Wikipedia and other Wikimedia-projects with my ebay-username as image author (etc.)". Bonus for that: 10% off on the sales fee (or the likes etc., or just the fame...).

3) Wikimedia developers program an interface so that Commons users can browse and easily import the pics from ebay, no action at all from ebay required, no API access, etc. (probably also optional)

4) Sophisticated enhanced option to all the above: Ebay temporarily (for 6 months, e.g.) stores the original files (5000x3500 or so today on average) so that we get better pictures, but this seems to be a hard one: Does ebay agree to temporarliy host an awful lot of files which they (today) just throw away to spare storage? Can this be solved differently? But this would be step 2 imho.

That was it. The shortest IT proposal in history ;-) So I will be patient for about 10-14 days or so... Best, Pittigrilli (talk) 20:27, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Pittigrilli: an awful lot of images on eBay are copyvios to begin with, and I wouldn't trust their users to have a clue about whether or not they were (especially when the issue is derivative work). - Jmabel ! talk 20:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok (I have a remedy for that one), have fun on the conference! Pittigrilli (talk) 20:35, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Pittigrilli: I'll be interested. Meanwhile, if you haven't already done so, I'd suggest looking through 100+ random or pseudo-random eBay images and seeing what percentage look like all we would need is the photographer's sign-off.

BTW, additional issue: eBay does not currently require the uploader to even assert that they are the photographer. That would have to be part of any CC-0 release. - Jmabel ! talk 20:57, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Two items - of course, many ebay pics are not brillant, but the quantity is so enormous that we (the then users browsing) could really do cherry picking - of 10 ads with an Accuphase amplifier (rare high end producer), one would choose the best one, I am not talking about 'mass uploads', but of the really good ones. Now the more important copyright issue: Imho, absolutely nobody posts pics on the web or integrates them in webpages (well, except on commons...) which are larger than about 1600 width, in very rare cases maybe up to 2000 width. But nearly all copy vios will be from the web, right? At the same time, nearly every digicam or mobile-phone-integrated cam used today has way more than 2000x1400. Hence, a simple means to make sure we do not get copyvios is that ebay would show the banner only from the start if their IT recognizes during the downscaling (or seldomly, upscaling) to 1600x1200 (which they do for standard) that the source files have a resolution with a larger dimension of more than, say, 3000. Hence, we would make sure that the uploader has the original file from a digicam or phone, and not somewhere from the web. The only aspect left is that people might take pics from Commons (yes), but then they would probably not choose the opt-in, or the Commons-user uploading the pic to Commons would realize this and skip the whole process. More convinced? Pittigrilli (talk) 21:18, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Pittigrilli: many copyvios will be by having your friend or family member take the photo. - Jmabel ! talk 21:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

All right. Make another tickbox "I was the photographer of these pics" beneath the "opt-in" for Commons, and we put the responsibilty for this on the ebay user. And in German, we say "where there is no judge, there will be no hangman" ;-) 21:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Pittigrilli: Fair enough, but three of the five points of Commons:Project scope/Precautionary principle specifically reject that last reasoning. I'm not opposed to what you are proposing, but I think it is full of pitfalls; we might do better to have systematic outreach to get a broad permission from each of certain eBay users who seem to post a lot of useful photos. - Jmabel ! talk 21:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

This indeed sounds good, but has an inherent disadvantage, I assume - people placing many good pics (and frequently) in their own ads are most likely ebay professional (or semi-pro) sellers, which in turn for sure do not want to have their pics in PD - as their competitors would most likely think "Hey, good pics of the items I sell" and use them, too... On the other hand, I see your point on the "Grandpa/my spouse took it" issue and why this might be a show stopper for my proposal. Well, maybe something useful results anyhow... So from my side, I think we can terminate this thread for now, and thank you for listening... Pittigrilli (talk) 21:59, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Commons Photographers User Group: Board Elections 2023 - Nomination Phase

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

the 2023 board election of our group is run at

Commons:Commons Photographers User Group/Board Elections 2023.

The next steps in the timeline for the 2023 election are

• October 20 – November 16: Nomination phase for candidacies
• November 17 – December 10: Elections
• December 16: Results announced

If you are interested in being a member of the board, please nominate yourself on the Election Page.

We are very much looking forward to hearing from you. Please use this talk page for your thoughts.

All the best

--Ailura (talk) for the CPUG board

Thanks!

Krok6kola (talk) 19:02, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Although I don't know of a formal discussion about the category in question, I have noticed the most editors don't give a category to the TIF image, giving one to the .jpg only. Krok6kola (talk) 00:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: It's not absolutely consistent across Commons, but it is pretty near consistent on the NARA and LoC TIFFs. - Jmabel ! talk 00:48, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Strange license problem with combo pic

@Jmabel: - after years of happy Commons work without any problem (well, almost...), I ran into a bizarre one yesterday - as you may have noticed, I produced quite a number of PDP pics without background recently, also based on some of your images. One of the goals of this was to produce an overview pic with 6 models (in first pass I did one with 1, 7, 8, 8e, 11/70, and 15). Put that into "DerivativeFX" and - got the error message "Sorry, your images can't be merged!". Though all are somehow CC, but with different numbers, versions, etc. Is that the end of the game or is there anything I could at least try? Is there the option of making some minimal license which fits to all of them or whatever? I invested hours just for this combo pic and do not want to give up...

This is the error message I got from DerivativeFX (with nowiki tag to avoid spamming your talk page, sorry for the resulting spaghetti code):

Sorry, your images can't be merged!

The licenses are incompatible or the licenses can't be detected. See above for all license tags the tool found for this images: File:DEC_PDP-1_Minicomputer_(1959)_in_Computer_History_Museum_(edited,_with_white_background).jpg {{Cc-by-2.0}} File:DEC_PDP-7_Minicomputer_from_1964_standing_in_Oslo_prior_to_restoration_in_2005_(edited_image,_partially_without_background,_persepctive_corrected)_No_4.jpg {{Cc-sa-1.0}} File:DEC_PDP-8_SN_85_front.JPG {{Cc-zero}} File:PDP8E_Full_Front.jpg {{Cc-by-sa-4.0}} File:LCM_-_DEC_PDP-11-70_-_01.jpg {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}} File:DEC_PDP-15_Minicomputer_in_tn_Living_Computer_Museum_Seattle_(strongly_edited).jpg {{Cc-by-2.0}}

Service for your convenience ;-) - all licences for the 6 pics as identified by DFX:
Cc-sa-1.0
Cc-by-2.0 (2 images)
Cc-by-sa-3.0
Cc-by-sa-4.0
Cc-zero

Any constructive advice possible? Pittigrilli (talk) 11:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@Pittigrilli: I never use Derivative FX, but you should be able just to upload with Special:Upload, which means you have to write the whole file page by hand (using copy-paste for the bulk of it, of course). You should be able to upload your contribution to the image as Cc-by-sa-4.0, working with images originally based on any of the above-mentioned licenses. Take a look at File:Asahel Curtis Panorama of Stimson Mill, Ballard, 1904.jpg for a way I did this one time (derivative from three files in the public domain). There are quite a few acceptable ways to acknowledge the original files, but this is one of them. - Jmabel ! talk 16:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Man, you really made my day! Good news, and I was already prepared for sth. like "Sorry, no way...". Now I know why I never particularly liked DerivativeFX. Thanks, Pittigrilli (talk) 17:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Done. What a sh&%$-load of work... File:Six Minicomputers from Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) from 1957 to production end in 1979 - PDP-1, PDP-7, PDP-8, PDP-8-E, PDP-11-70, PDP-15.jpg. Any suggestions/improvement proposals? Pittigrilli (talk) 18:10, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@Pittigrilli: Great work! The only thing I might add is to mention the specific licenses of the source works (which you can do in the gallery). And, yeah, it's a lot of work to properly license something that derives from six differently-licensed works. - Jmabel ! talk 18:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Chomsky picture replacement didn't go through

I made a request for the CommonsDelinker bot to replace File:Noam Chomsky portrait 2017 retouched.png -> File:Noam Chomsky portrait 2017 retouched.jpg. You removed the request, but according to the file usage links of the PNG, it doesn't seem to have gone through? Could you try running it again maybe? Or what else can we do about those wikis? Σ (talk) 04:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Σ: The bot said it was running it, but I guess it didn't. I'll try again. - Jmabel ! talk 04:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:CommonsDelinker/commands&diff=prev&oldid=825754900 - Jmabel ! talk 04:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

TYVM! Σ (talk) 10:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Caricare immagini

Ciao, scusami il disturbo ma tu sei sicuramente più esperto di me, un’associazione mi ha mandato delle foto sulla Reggia di Monza, i suoi interni e i suoi esterni e le sue planimetrie, chiedendomi di caricarle su Commons a patto “di citare la fonte e il nome del comitato.” Mi chiedevo come potessi farlo e se in caso, inoltrandoti la mail e le informazioni necessarie, potresti farlo tu in modo da non commettere errori. Fammi sapere e grazie in anticipo! Fefecece (talk) 13:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Assuming the materials are copyrighted (which they almost certainly are) and that they own the copyright (which I have no way to know) a necessary first step is that they send an email as described at COM:VRT/it either granting a specific license or indicating that you are authorized to do so on their behalf. Have them cc you on the email.

(Tramite Google Translate; leggo l'italiano, ma non lo scrivo bene :) Supponendo che i materiali siano protetti da copyright (cosa che quasi certamente lo sono) e che possiedano il copyright (cosa che non ho modo di sapere) un primo passo necessario è che inviino un'e-mail come descritto su COM:VRT/it concedendo una licenza specifica o indicando che sei autorizzato a farlo per loro conto. Chiedi loro di inviarti una copia dell'e-mail. - Jmabel ! talk 19:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Grazie mille, sei gentilissimo! Posso chiederti un favore? Se ti inoltro la mail con le immagini e con ovviamente l'indirizzo email che me le ha mandate e che le possiede, potresti scrivergli direttamente tu dicendogli cosa fare e alla fine caricandole su Commons? Ovviamente io manderei una mail a questa Fondazione proprietaria delle immagini avvertendoli che un utente più esperto gli scriverebbe per prendere accordi. Grazie mille ancora e fammi sapere! Fefecece 151.48.5.227 12:59, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

@Fefecece: as long as they can deal with my writing in English! I can read Italian moderately well (basically be triangulating between Spanish and Romanian), but am very limited in my ability to write it. Or you might just want to look at Commons:Volunteer_Response_Team/it. I think it's pretty clear, and it includes an example for the letter they would need to send. I'd recommend the license CC-BY-SA 4.0, which does what you say they want to do. - Jmabel ! talk 16:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Tranquillo, penso non abbiamo problemi con l'inglese, in caso potresti anche usare il traduttore comunicandoglielo come hai fatto con me l'altra volta, cosi non ci son incomprensioni. A che mail posso inoltrarti quella che hanno mandato a me? Fefece 151.48.5.227 16:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

@Fefecece: I sent you an email just now, so you now have my email address. By the way, you really ought to be logged in when you carry on an exchange like this. - Jmabel ! talk 16:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Request to blur a photo subject to a DR

JMabel, Can you help on this one here: File:Give Me Liberty - Hong Kong Graffiti 6 October 2019 (48851461613).jpg The graffiti text on both sides of the art are desirable to keep as apart of Hong Kong recent historical protests. Thank you, --Ooligan (talk) 05:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ooligan: so get rid of Pepe & keep the rest? - Jmabel ! talk 16:23, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel, yes please. The text has historic relevance. It is not necessary to delete the photo, just because of a creature feature. BTW, do you use GIMP? --Ooligan (talk) 17:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ooligan: Yes, GIMP is my tool for this. - Jmabel ! talk 18:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ooligan: blurred to a level I believe is acceptable. If someone thinks this needs to be blurred further, let me know. - Jmabel ! talk 18:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel, Please, blur to obscure all features of the creature or use full grey/ black, if that is easier. Thanks, --Ooligan (talk) 19:33, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Affected:

• File:Sala Palatului 1.jpg

And also:

• File:Sala Palatului 3.jpg
• File:Sala Palatului 4.jpg
• File:Sala Palatului 5.jpg
• File:Sala Palatului 6.jpg

Yours sincerely, JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 04:14, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Is this OK?

See Category:Leopold Musil. I gave a link to the Czech article. Krok6kola (talk) 00:11, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: not actively wrong, but this is a lot more correct:

• https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q95093293&diff=2021889151&oldid=1946958885
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Leopold_Musil&diff=prev&oldid=827053787

Also: how is anything in that category not a copyright violation? - Jmabel ! talk 03:46, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

• Thank you. And you are probably right. You know I'm a halfwit. And I know you don't "love" making wiki boxes. So perhaps all for naught. Krok6kola (talk) 18:35, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
  • @Krok6kola: once the interwiki link is added to wikidata, literally all you have to do to make the box is put "{{Wikidata Infobox}}" on the category page. - Jmabel ! talk 18:47, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Doesn't it have to link to Wikidata? Krok6kola (talk) 18:51, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
      • @Krok6kola: No, the only required link is the interwiki link in the opposite direction, like I made at https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q95093293&diff=2021889151&oldid=1946958885 (where I also added the Commons Category property, but that's actually non-essential). - Jmabel ! talk 19:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
        • I have just spent the last hour or so on the telephone with Dell support re my Windows 11. It gave the wrong time/date and that began to annoy me. I have enough trouble knowing what year it is. Windows 7 was so much better. Krok6kola (talk) 20:53, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Template

Oops, sorry about that! - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 01:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Flickypedia soft launch and a huge thank you

Dear fellow Commons photographer,

I hope this message finds you well. As you might already know, the Flickr Foundation has been busy creating a new Flickr-to-Commons bridge (“Flickypedia”) this year. After a successful demo at the GLAM Wiki Conference in Montevideo, the Flickr Foundation team is now inviting all members of the Commons Photographers User Group to be the first to review their alpha, reporting any technical issues or other feedback via the Flickypedia project talk page.

At the same time, this message is an opportunity for me to thank you for your trust and support over the past couple of years. Since 2017, we've grown into being one of the largest user groups in the Wikimedia universe. I've tremendously enjoyed interacting with all of our members when it came to joint photowalks at Wikimanias, virtual Zoom meetings where we covered a wide variety of photography topics, as well as our annual “Most memorable shot of the year”, among many other events. As I'm not running for an official position in our current board election, this will be my last message on behalf of the user group to you. Thanks for all the happy moments we shared together over the years! I hope you'll continue creating free images for the millions of people we serve through Wikipedia and Commons.

All the best, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 19:36, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

NARA & LoC: tiffs & jpgs

jpg - 37 KB (tiff =1.66 MB)

Dear Jmbabel, A few weeks ago we talked about the removal of categories from ãpprox. 240,000 tiff files who were "identical" to jpg files. I asked about the rationale for this removal and got two arguments: (1) tiff files are very large, which results in slow page rendering, and (2) categories get too crowded. The arguments for not removing the categories were: (a) professional users are looking for highres images, and will overlook these available images if they are hidden away like they are now, (2) categorizing all files in Commons make more complete categories and leave the choice up to users themselves. Crowded categories can be subdivided, if needed. Moreover: many tiff images are not large at all (see the first page of this category, where >20% of the images is less than 5 MB. You were kind enough to point me to the discussion about this issue at Category talk:NARA TIF images with categorized JPGs, and I found a few other talks about the topic, but I still couldn't find a community decision on the issue. Could you help me out? Vysotsky (talk) 20:10, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

• @Vysotsky: The JPEGs should render at the same resolution of the TIFFs (and should thumbnail as well or better). The TIFFs should be discoverable, because they should be linked with {{Other version}} from the JPEGs.
• The community decision was implicit, and was carried out by the people uploading from the relevant GLAMs, who by now have followed it for hundreds of thousands, probably millions, of files. The enforcement has come mainly by simply removing topical cats people add to TIFFs (and transferring them, if necessary, to the corresponding JPEGs).
• You are welcome, of course, to re-open the issue (on the Village pump or in a similar venue), but I'm not interested in going out and researching it for you. I have plenty else that I'm doing. Nor am I particularly interested in discussing it further on my talk page. - Jmabel ! talk 02:13, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

"The community decision was implicit". Ah, now I understand why I couldn't find any decision. I will first consult two main uploaders known to me, and then decide if I will open the issue at Commons:Village pump/Proposals. As you are not interested in discussing it further on your talk page, I won't bother you again about the issue. Thanks for the information. Vysotsky (talk) 11:18, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

• I may be wrong but I have seen repeated evidence that Fæ wanted the category NARA TIF images with categorized JPGs. If you look and some of the file histories, e.g.[2]"... PASS THE AMMUNITION." THE ARMY NEEDS MORE LUMBER - NARA - 515166.tif: Revision history, you will see that Fæ added the category NARA TIF images with categorized JPGs himself and therefore he was aware of the problem. It is not a stretch to believe that if he had not "been driven off", he would have seen the need for LC TIF images with categorized JPGs as well. A persistent problem is that jpg images are separated from their TIF counterparts and put in different categories. Krok6kola (talk) 22:51, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

There is also User:Fæ/LOC in which he explains some of the issues that occurred and how he dealt with them. Krok6kola (talk) 23:01, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: Fæ was definitely one of the people who objected to categorizing TIFFs in topical categories when there was an equivalent JPEG available. - Jmabel ! talk 00:41, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Chewzy

I am holding my tongue.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 03:13, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: a fine policy. - Jmabel ! talk 03:17, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Request & objection

Hello & thank you for your kind help on that one grave matter! Please see my talk page re: 2 more related problems. Also, somebody has been busy creating very questionable categories like this. No such era has ever been known. The last Swedish era named for any king was the Gustavian era (Gustav III, d. 1792). Best wishes, SergeWoodzing (talk) 05:09, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Affected:

• File:Bucharest - Athenee Palace Dec 2014.jpg

Yours sincerely, A1Cafel (talk) 03:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Another ugly consequence of a foolish law. - Jmabel ! talk 03:41, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Affected:

• File:Bucharest Victoria Palace.jpg

Yours sincerely, A1Cafel (talk) 02:59, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

categorisation through template and the uncat list

Heyho. I think that I saw you mention a bug in categorisation where they are added through templates like category:July 2017 in Bourgogne-Franche-Comté. Was that the case or do I recall incorrectly. Is there anything that can kick them? like purging? or just leave them be? Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:11, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: I've tried purging the cat, purging the template, etc. No luck. It's a bug, and I don't know why it occasionally happens, usually doesn't, and seems particularly virulent for that one Bourgogne-Franche-Comté template. - Jmabel ! talk 01:20, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

By the way, you might be interested in Template:How to delete empty categories, which I've created as an easy way to message people who "blank" a category page rather than using {{SD}}. - Jmabel ! talk 01:21, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Participation in North American Hub research

Hello, Jmabel! I'm writing on behalf of the North American hub research committee to see if you would be interested in participating in a one hour focus group. During the session, we will discuss how a potential hub could support Commons contributors by providing services such as professional development and grant support. Our research phase is ending very soon (12/31). I apologize for the short notice. If there's any chance you can join us for a meeting on 12/20 @ 1pm ET, please respond to Ariel.Cetrone at wikidc.org. Thanks for considering -Ariel Cetrone (WMDC) (talk) 18:39, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Structured data for AI images

I have added some structured data to this AI image

Thoughts on the statements used? I'll add the statements to the rest of the images if there aren't any issues Trade (talk) 19:07, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• @Trade: Mostly good. I don't think one jurisdiction's copyright should be "preferred" to another, though (it may matter more to us, but so what?) and I'm also not sure you are correct about UK status, where I gather there is some current judicial controversy. But, as I say, mostly good.

  "I'm also not sure you are correct about UK status" Does that mean we can finally get rid of the ridiculous CC-BY-SA 4.0 templates from AI images?--Trade (talk) 19:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

  • @Trade: No, I think it's still being fought out. The precautionary principle means we want to say, with a license, "even if it proves to be copyrighted, it's licensed." And even if it turns out differently in the UK, it's pretty settled that AI outputs are copyrightable in China. - Jmabel ! talk 19:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
  • You might find find this very interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCdSJ8E3qmE, especially at about minute 28. - Jmabel ! talk 19:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I see you posted (maybe about this?) at Commons talk:AI-generated media but there seems to be a server problem at the moment accessing that page. - Jmabel ! talk 19:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Seattle

Do you have a "junk" category for Seattle? I've added some images to known categories, but what do I do with those I can't find a category for? (Thanks by the way, for you intervention today.) Krok6kola (talk) 21:57, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: Just stick them in Category:Seattle if you can't do better. - Jmabel ! talk 21:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Seasonal Greetings!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello Jmabel, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. Happy editing, ~~~~ Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

20 upper 15:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Fake?

Where would I be able to find the origin of this:

This work has been released into the public domain by its author, Bernadotte Library. This applies worldwide. In some countries this may not be legally possible; if so: Bernadotte Library grants anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law. Public domainPublic domainfalsefalse

That library is not known for generosity. Is there an OTRS involved or how do we know it's legitimate? Happy Holidays! SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@SergeWoodzing: if you want me to look into it, you'd have to refer me to a specific file or files. After all, anyone can slap any template on anything. - Jmabel ! talk 16:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I've checked quite a few images with the template and find absolutely nothing to imply or confirm that the template itself is legitimate. Here's one. Can we find out somehow who created it and and how and why? I do not know how to sleuth such a thing. Can anyone create a template and then, as you say, slap it on anything? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:05, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@SergeWoodzing: There is no template there saying anything of the sort. - Jmabel ! talk 17:08, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I beg your pardon! Got my royal Swedes mixed up. I meant here. Another obvious studio portrait, identified as such, including famous photographer, on the Royal Court website. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:24, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Uploaded by User:Tomás de H y B-P, whose only Commons contributions were a bunch of things on which he made similar claims; seems occasionally to edit other wikis, so you might get hold of him. It's not like we have a template specific to Bernadotte Library: I could write {{PD-author|Leonardo da Vinci}} but it doesn't make it so.

The cited source pages are all 404s, but can be easily found on the Internet Archive (e.g. https://www.kungahuset.se/royalcourt/royalfamily/thebernadottedynasty/princebertil.4.164e81b015607465dc12f8b.html or going as close as we can to the upload date, https://web.archive.org/web/20200729021352/https://www.kungahuset.se/royalcourt/royalfamily/thebernadottedynasty/princebertil.4.164e81b015607465dc12f8b.html). Nothing I find there says anything about the images being in the public domain. So it looks like a very occasional Commons user claimed a license that wasn't there. - Jmabel ! talk 17:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Here's another one, which I was particularly surprised to see that that library would have released to public domain, which they apparently did not then. What do you feel should be done about this? I wrote to the trickster now. Remove the fake template & delete the five images we see it on? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:54, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

PS "Tomás" has never replied to anything on a any of h talk pages not even on Turkish Wikipedia, the only project where there is a user page. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:07, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@SergeWoodzing: I'll DR them, saying pretty much what I said on my last response. - Jmabel ! talk 18:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Tomás de H y B-P - Jmabel ! talk 18:26, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Extra brackets

Why? Category:Albert Kerr in the link to the enwiki article. Krok6kola (talk) 00:46, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: Because below you have:

[[Category:Stanley Cup champions]]

}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Kerr, Albert}}

But, really, you'd do much better to link the two pages by attaching the approriate interwiki link to the appropriate Wikidata item. Then the en-wiki article will show up in the left nav, as will articles in any other languages. - Jmabel ! talk 00:55, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! How do I find the appropriate Wikidata item? Krok6kola (talk) 01:05, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: in this case, you already know the English Wikipedia article, so you can click to it from "Wikidata item" there. If you didn't have that, you could go to https::/wikidata.org and use the search box. - Jmabel ! talk 01:08, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

• I found my user page on wikidata and looked at my contributions. Turns out I have been contributing like crazy and did not even know it. On another topic: I have a scheme to make my life better and want to ask you to do a tiny favor for me in Seattle. Will you cooperate with me? Krok6kola (talk) 01:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
  • @Krok6kola: Yeah, every time you move a much-used photo you affect a lot of wikis.
  • I'm likely to be able to do a favor for you, but I need to know what it would be before I'll say "yes." - Jmabel ! talk 02:46, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Of course. I'll email you. Krok6kola (talk) 22:23, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy holidays

Happy holidays and thanks for your help Ottawahitech (talk) 16:07, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy deletions

Should courtesy deletions always be rejected if the image was uploaded three months ago? Or is it up to admin discretion? Trade (talk) 00:25, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: it's complicated. I guess it is ultimately admin discretion, though of course others may weigh in. For example, we will pretty readily make a courtesy deletion over the privacy of a minor; we will almost never make a belated courtesy deletion on the basis of "I decided I don't like that photo I took." There's a lot in between those two. It also depends on how useful/unique the photo appears to be. E.g. we are a lot more likely to be sympathetic to "last June I uploaded nine pictures of actress X, and she's asked if we could take down two of them, because she really doesn't like those two," than "last June I took the only known photo of Bigfoot and I've decided I'd rather not have it free-licensed." Also, "last June I accidentally left the wrong permission for three days on my newly uploaded photos on Flickr, and I see that someone put it on Commons during the brief period when it had the wrong license" is a lot more likely to be granted than "I've been uploading to Commons for ten years, and I just now decided I want to take down all of my photos because I'm having a hissy fit." Also, the longer the image has been here, the less we are likely to grant the courtesy. And if we know the image is now "all over the Internet" we are very unlikely to grant the courtesy. - Jmabel ! talk 00:41, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Would you agree my rev was justified? --Trade (talk) 00:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: No. No reason was provided for a courtesy deletion, and the image was not uploaded in the last seven days. A courtesy deletion more than seven days after upload requires a clear rationale as to why the courtesy should be granted. - Jmabel ! talk 00:56, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

For something different, what do you think we should do with the videos uploaded by this guy? I think it's better to judge the videos seperately since they are so different from one each other--Trade (talk) 01:26, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: probably, but I have no plans of going near them. - Jmabel ! talk 01:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

File:Gumball Watterson.jpg

I Nomiated it, because, you owned an Cartoon Network image 5 years ago, because you owned it, he nomiated for deletion since January 13, 2018? 111.125.106.57 05:05, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Convenience link: File:Gumball Watterson.jpg.

I have no idea what you are talking about (or who you are). - Jmabel ! talk 06:29, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

vi-Wikipedia dramas

Hi Jmabel! I'm really sorry that you had to see those. I wasn't aware that Commons is not the right place to bring up those issues. Now that I was advised to report those to Meta Request for comments, I created a report there. Sorry again about everything! And Happy New Year! Đại Việt quốc (talk) 00:30, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

File:MyFirstBlog30Dec2023.pdf What is this? Spreading drama using picture? I believe that it's probably encrypted or something. It's the whole drama story in encrypted version. I'm not an expert, so I'm not sure. Commons is not a place to upload picture for personal agenda such as revenge. This picture should be deleted imo. Đại Việt quốc is literally ignoring your warning. You're the local admin, so I'll leave it for you to decide. Thank you! Nguyentrongphu (talk) 09:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

It is encrypted using w:en:ASCII characters and Vietnamese signs. JrandWP (talk) 16:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Estonian wants to judge notability of categories and to do so alone

Hello again! Could you please weigh in here and here? An Estonian user (who to my surprise it an admin at Wikidata) wants to warn people against using Wikidata info on category pages of lots of people the user thinks are not notable or "probably not notable". Needs to be straightened out. I have really tried to get through to h. Goes on and on and on. SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:45, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Flickr2Commons

Saberia informar o que houve com o Flickr2Commons? Estou tentando baixar algumas imagens, mas está dando alguns problemas para carregar. Luiz79 (talk) 18:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Luiz79: I know nothing other than that there are reports that it has stalled out. - Jmabel ! talk 18:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

About Discussion about AI images

What will happen to the results of our long Discussion about AI images? Is there any chance that we did not put all the effort into it in vain? JopkeB (talk) 04:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

@JopkeB: I placed the summary at Commons_talk:AI-generated_media#Possible_alternative/additional_text_for_this_page. That seems to be the page that is most likely to move toward becoming a guideline or policy. I suspect the next step would be for people to look at whether some hunks of it should be moved from that talk page to the project page (and possibly to push toward some of that becoming at least a guideline, if not a policy). - Jmabel ! talk 04:39, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I am glad this extensive summary has been kept and our remarks can help to make a Commons policy on this matter. JopkeB (talk) 06:07, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Question about category

Hi. You have any idea how to handle Category:Jesse Daniel Brown? Apparently it was created by Jesse Daniel Brown, whomever that is, and contains a lot of personal information having to do with their military career. I'm not sure what the deal with it is, but probably most of it should be hidden from view, if not the whole thing deleted. Including the files. But then if Jesse Daniel Brown uploaded the files and added the information then maybe it's not an issue. Who knows. Anyway, what do you think about it? Adamant1 (talk) 06:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@Adamant1: He appears also to have all of that text content in his user space, so no need to consider even userfying it. I'll create something minimal for a category. Not sure if it's in scope or not, certainly not slogging through all that to work it out, but that wall of text does not belong on a Commons category. - Jmabel ! talk 06:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Instituto de Fomento Pesquero

Hola. Creo que va mejor en Category:Organization headquarters in Chile. Gracias y saludos. Carlos yo (Discusión) 18:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Convenience links: Category:Instituto de Fomento Pesquero, Category:Instituto de Fomento Pesquero (Chile).

• @Carlos yo: la mayorá de las imágenes en Category:Instituto de Fomento Pesquero (Chile) son fotos de personas. Un "headquarters" es un edificio. - Jmabel ! talk 18:55, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Why did you revert?

The truck seems to be in the same ladder/tiller style as the other ones in the category... BhamBoi (talk) 00:54, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@BhamBoi: I don't even remember reverting that edit but obviously I did. I must have fat-fingered somewhere. Please feel free to make the edit again. - Jmabel ! talk 00:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. BhamBoi (talk) 00:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

TOC in Vector 2022?

Hi Jambel, I have a question I believe you as an experienced editor can answer and I do not want to clutter the help desk for it. I have been editing with Vector 2022 since I edited here more actively and I was surprised there was no table of contents. I have only found out that with Vector 2010 (legacy) there is a table of contents, with which I edit now. Great to be able to link to a specific discussion. Is there a way how to enable a table of contents for vector 2022? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:26, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle: not a clue. Like most users, in terms of skins I set up something that works and then I ignore it. Try Commons:Help desk or Village pump/technical. - Jmabel ! talk 18:44, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Quality Image Promotion

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More time needed?

Hello! Do we need more time or more input on this and these? SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:49, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@SergeWoodzing: No, but I probably shouldn't close the second one because I opened it. - Jmabel ! talk 17:49, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

Thank you a lot for your message. Whatever I can do to help, I'll do it. I cannot guarantee I'll always reach my goal, but at least I'll try. :) Sannita (WMF) (talk) 15:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

PD-Art tag

I don't agree with this interpretation of the PD-Art tag. It could get out of hand. What do you think, as a second opinion?

Uploading tiff files, when there's no advantage over jpg's and ownership issues are another matter.Broichmore (talk) 10:47, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@Broichmore: As I understand it, the intent of {{PD-Art}} is to say "someone worked on this, but not in a way that creates any new copyrights" + "in countries where p.m.a.+70 applies, this is PD on that basis (p.m.a.+70)." I think Historian 1875's argument (not too well spelled out) is that in this case no third party was involved; he himself did the scan and cleanup, and he isn't claiming any rights, so PD-Art is redundant. I think it would have been fine if he had just uploaded with {{PD-old-100-expired}} in the first place, but the fact is, he didn't: he uploaded with {{Cc-zero}}, which implied he has a copyright but is waiving those rights.

I don't think this is a big deal but, yes, including {{PD-Art}} is more correct as a way of asserting that Historian 1875 had no rights to waive. On the other hand, just {{PD-old-100-expired}} is also OK from the point of view of any reuser, and since Historian 1875 removed it himself, that amounts to an acknowledgement that he had no rights to waive. If some third party had removed it, I'd object to that. - Jmabel ! talk 15:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

I would prefer, to keep stuff from, the likes of The Graphic simple, many images are uploaded as one off's and little attention is given to the artist's and engravers involved. Often the images are manipulated by interim others to the point of it being difficult to ascertain the actual original look.Broichmore (talk) 17:05, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@Broichmore: I'm not sure how that relates to the license tag. He does acknowledge retouching the image. - Jmabel ! talk 17:18, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree with @Jmabel that I don't think this is a big deal. I have to say that I'm not sure why there seems to be confusion about the PD-Art tag. I have checked the guidance and it seems to me quite clear that it isn't suitable for this image as applied by @Broichmore.

There are two reasons for this conclusion:

1) The guidance states Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag that the PD-Art tag 'relates to photographs taken from a distance only. For scans/photocopies, see Commons:When to use the PD-scan tag'. Therefore as this was a scan the PD-Art tag cannot apply.

2) Turning to the guidance Commons:When to use the PD-scan tag it states that 'the PD-scan tag should not be used: When you yourself personally made the scan and enhanced the image.' Historian 1875 (talk) 18:01, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

If you want to nit pick it also says, When you yourself personally made the scan and enhanced the image. Do not use it. In such a case, simply use a suitable {PD-old}.

I still have to disagree, because, first, it doesnt really matter, and second, 99% of everything we have of art is scanned by others anyway. Despite what the page says, it is not generally followed. Broichmore (talk) 10:10, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Jmabel, Kudos for this pic. They did WHAT with this temple? Demolish? You Americans are really different from my folk. In Germany, such a building, unless structurally damaged by an earthquake and unsaveable or the like, would never be demolished. If someone would plan this (quite unthinkable anyway given the "Old monument protection laws" over here), a number of people would chain themselves to it when the machines roll in. Positively. Pittigrilli (talk) 13:49, 23 January 2024 (UTC) PS: I couldn't help starting to laugh when reading your explanation on what was/shall be built in that place instead - a skyscraper incl. a new church. Now, for this 'replacement' plan the architect/planner would be crucified in Germany beforehand (just slightly exaggerated). That's probably due to the "little differences" mentioned in Pulp Fiction ;-) Pittigrilli (talk) 14:13, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Pittigrilli: Unfortunately, because of separation of church and state, governments here have almost no authority over what churches do with their property, nor can they subsidize repairs to church property. If it were a secular building, it would almost certainly have been saved. For what it's worth: it had seismic-safety issues and would have needed major work to save it, way beyond the means of its dwindling congregation (about 100-200 people including children). As I understand it, most (though probably not all) of the stained glass was salvaged, along with a few other architectural elements. I imagine much of this will end up in other churches, though I'm sure some elements will end up in some very wealthy people's homes. - Jmabel ! talk 16:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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Now to something completely different - your VAX 11/780-5 pic from LCM

...that I reworked today - what is the rack on the left? A disk array or similar? I ask because I am tempted to also make a version without the rack and background, barebone so to say. Makes sense or would that kind of destroy the machine, if you know what I mean? Pittigrilli (talk) 00:12, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Pittigrilli: I honestly don't know. I'd suggest that you write to Hank Levy (levycswashington.edu), one of the team that developed the VAX. I'm sure he'd know, and there's a fair chance that he'd answer. If you write him and he doesn't get back in a week or so, I could suggest other people to ask. - Jmabel ! talk 00:36, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Cool, I will do so. I have become quite used to writing emails to legendary people in recent years, anyway. Cheers, Pittigrilli (talk) 00:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Pittigrilli: I was actually in grad school with him (at UW). He went back to get his doctorate after working on the VAX. Jmabel ! talk 00:52, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

While that rack is clearly associated with the VAX next to it, I would say that approximately none of the devices are contemporary to VAX hardware. You can clearly see a normal CD-ROM drive at the top left, for example. I wouldn't be surprised if the VAX uses them with an interface, but they are probably more in support roles of storage and networking (NODE 0/NODE 1, etc.) Elizium23 (talk) 02:25, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Pittigrilli - Jmabel ! talk 03:56, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Elizium23: Thank you, this seems reasonable. Greetings, Pittigrilli (talk) 09:32, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Quality Image Promotion

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2 issues related to DPLA bot

The following two issues were originally posted to User talk:DPLA bot. They have both "gone stale" and been archived with no response. I believe they are both matters that still need to be dealt with. User:Dominic who operates the bot has been on a long hiatus except for a handful of edits on January 20. I believe these issues still need to be resolved, so I am bringing them to my own user talk page. - Jmabel ! talk 19:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC) Pinging @Dominic, Adamant1 - Jmabel ! talk 19:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Some more-or-less duplicates

BEGIN discussion moved from User talk:DPLA bot history.
It looks like a lot of the material from the magazine The Coast is more or less duplicating files we already had: same resolution, but probably different compression, and definitely different info pulled from the database. For example:

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  "Alaska Tells Its Own Story," The Coast, July 1909 - DPLA - 1826cf5bf3942d48a7988d553d022e87 (page 1).jpg
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  Alaska Tells Its Own Story - Cover.jpg
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  File:"Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition," The Coast, April 1908 - DPLA - 2c5c9b5b134ee76389ffa060bec7881e (page 1).jpg
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  Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition - Cover.jpg

How do you want to handle this? My only preference is for not losing information. Jmabel ! talk 04:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

And apparently not just The Coast:

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  File:"Canadian display makes distinct impression," Pacific Northwest Commerce, October 1909 - DPLA - fd832b02272d33412681175497f977be (page 1).jpg
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  File:Canadian display makes distinct impression - Cover.jpg

+ let me add one more strong preference: not having to do a ton of crazy merges by hand. - Jmabel ! talk 04:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Restored from archive 2024-01-02 because there was no response. I believe this needs to be addressed. - Jmabel ! talk 04:56, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

@Dominic: I would really like to hear from you on this before we do anything. I assume you have some interest in what happens here, or if somehow you don't, please say that explicitly. - Jmabel ! talk 22:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Similarly:

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  uploaded 18:24, 5 August 2023
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  uploaded 12:30, 24 April 2009

This is the first page of a 50-page document in the DPLA upload; offhand it looks like 35 of those pages were in the prior upload and are in Category:Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition - Seattle, June 1-October 16, 1909. Normally we let the older versions win out, but in this case the newer one is more complete. (I haven't checked whether the old one has anything not in the new one, and the numbering doesn't match). - Jmabel ! talk 00:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm coming to think that a lot of these may be more complete uploads of things we had earlier. E.g. the files starting at File:Catalogue of educational exhibits in the Washington Educational Building, A.-Y.-P. Exposition, 1909 - DPLA - e7a64c5f2445fd6dd7b28a225e927266 (page 1).jpg seem to be a superset of what's at Category:Catalogue of educational exhibits in the Washington Educational Building, A.-Y.-P. Exposition. It looks like the latter was interested only in pages that had images. The latter were uploaded by the now-banned User:Dcoetzee, so there's no one really with whom to discuss the intent there. - Jmabel ! talk 19:19, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
END discussion moved from User talk:DPLA bot history.

Category:Colfax, Washington brochure, circa 1955

BEGIN discussion moved from User talk:DPLA bot history.
For the files now in Category:Colfax, Washington brochure, circa 1955, how do we get rid of Category:Hand bills which comes from the structured data? It is not accurate, this is not a handbill. - Jmabel ! talk 23:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Just my opinion, but the category shouldn't be obligatory even if it was accurate since it makes so people can't sub-categorize the files. Really, the DLPA bot shouldn't be adding top level, general categories like that to begin with. Especially if they can't be easily changed. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@Adamant1: I completely agree with that. Until we do a much better integration of categories and structured data -- an idea that has been pretty firmly rejected by the team working on SDC as anything to work on in the foreseeable future -- structured data should not drive topical categories. Also, really in SDC-driven non-topical categories like Category:Media contributed by the Digital Public Library of America, the filename should be explicitly used as a sort key: DEFAULTSORT on a file should not affect sorting of this non-topical category. - Jmabel ! talk 05:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

END discussion moved from User talk:DPLA bot history. Jmabel ! talk 19:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the other time and request for help

Hello @Jmabel, I hope you're well. Today I had a meeting with the booksellers for the R@/Librarian project. I'm contacting you to ask for a service. Would it be possible to delete the first category "February 02 Activity" and place it as a subcategory under the other categories? Thank you very much. Azogbonon (talk) 17:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

@Azogbonon: All moved to. If you open that page in "edit" mode it should be pretty obvious how to do this correctly in the future. - Jmabel ! talk 19:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much@Jmabel Azogbonon (talk) 19:58, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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The dates for the submission in the photography contest on Wikimedia Commons are from 1 February 2024 through 31 March 2024. Probably you are wondering how you can take part. It’s simple: grab a camera, record an image, video or audio under the folklore theme and start uploading or Click on Upload Now Icon which is available on right side of Wiki Loves Folklore 2024. To learn more about the rules, check out our Project page on Wikimedia Commons.

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File:Бюст Галимджана Ибрагимова.jpg

Hello, I'm here about the File:Бюст Галимджана Ибрагимова.jpg. I have information about the authorship, but I do not know how to arrange it. Can you tell me how to add and add the name of the author of the sculpture? At the same time, I am the author of the photo. Diniyar Khasanov (talk) 10:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

It looks like you are currently blocked (just after leaving this message). Feel free to contact me after your account is reinstated but not before, including not by using a proxy account. - Jmabel ! talk 16:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)